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Discussion about Ricoh G & PX tough and waterproof cameras

Re: back here with the usual...

Postby Schaki » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:41 pm

quester wrote:But then if some manufacturer other than Ricoh comes out with a WR serious large sensor compact by May, well, I just might be crossing into that camp. Chances of this occurring, though, seem close to zero - it looks like only Stanislaw and I are praying for said camera.


The best that we realistically can hope for, for 2015 is a WR compact with 1" sensor. I doubt it is going to happen though and and probably it is a gamble which Ricoh wont take even though they pretty much is a niche-player. Probably Panasonic is or perhaps Olympus would be more likely to try something like that. Panasonic has been very agressive with pretty good cameras in during 2014 and showed with their latest premium travelzoom compact, the TZ70/ZS50 that they probably know what they are doing when they go for a sensor with less pixels compared to it's predecessor which have the same zoom.
Olympus have now used the same zoom (same as in Rioch WG-3 and 4) in their WR TG-1 in three WR compacts and really should come up with new zoom for the TG-4, if it is to come. Maybe they could gamble on a 1" sensor or at least a 1/1.7".
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Re: back here with the usual...

Postby quester » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:38 pm

Schaki wrote:
quester wrote:But then if some manufacturer other than Ricoh comes out with a WR serious large sensor compact by May, well, I just might be crossing into that camp. Chances of this occurring, though, seem close to zero - it looks like only Stanislaw and I are praying for said camera.


The best that we realistically can hope for, for 2015 is a WR compact with 1" sensor.


I'd be happy with that.
When I started to take apart the PX, I was surprised at how much dust and grit had accumulated under the outer layers. I suppose I'll have to take the matter of protection of the camera more seriously, even if it is weather-resistant to an extent.
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Re: back here with the usual...

Postby Schaki » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:05 pm

Recently a nice Ricoh caplio 400G wide has shown up on Ebay. Rare old model but rather good. It seems to me to have identical image quality as the Ricoh Caplio G4 Wide which it is based on. 28-85mm zoom. This one and the Ricoh Caplio 500G Wide is something else than todays tough cameras with crazy NR and oversharpening.
http://photographyblog.com/reviews_rico ... g_wide.php
http://ebay.co.uk/itm/Ricoh-Caplio-400G ... 2354ca1a8a
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Re: back here with the usual...

Postby Schaki » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:54 pm

This G600 might be better or worse compared to the 400G Wide, depending on if you think that the 400G wide too bulky. http://ebay.co.uk/itm/Ricoh-G600-10-0-M ... 25aa1bece9
The G600 is clearly a little smaller but not as small as the PX. 400G have a small edge in image quality over these two when viewing images in full size. Only 3mp though I don't need more than that myself.
There is also a Ricoh 500SE there which comes with the small GPS module. http://ebay.com/itm/Ricoh-Caplio-500SE- ... 463e274687
Of the Ricoh rugged G-series cameras this is the one with best image quality imo. You will need to set the white-balance to cloudy/overcast however to avoid the light purple cast which otherwise sometimes randomly can show up in 500G/SE outdoors images. I use that setting regardless if it is sunshine or cloudy and experience no purple cast in the images for 95% of the time.
The G600 have marginally better clarity in images but struggle with it's smaller sensor which require more NR.

The Japanese camera-site Dcwatch have two very similar sample images from 500G and G600. Not taken on the same day though. The weather was better wehn they took the 500G-image. But G600 have not quite as good dynamic range anyway and blows highlights somewhat more easy.
Comparing the two pictures. The G600 have more problem with NR which not can be turned Off and also oversharpening which can be seen looking at buildings, foliage and the railroads. The oversharpening however can be dealt with as both cameras have a sharpness "soft"
setting which give the pictures a more natural look in terms of sharpness. I never used that setting with the G600 however as far as I can remember so I don't know how well it works with G600 but uses it as standard on most of my other Ricohs.
I don't use that with the 500SE or 400G because these two not have too much problem with oversharpening and also because sometimes the images came out a little too soft looking for my taste when I used that setting.
G600 https://translate.googleusercontent.com ... QBPPrH5SkA
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... F8776.html

500G/SE https://translate.googleusercontent.com ... B41vkQjlmQ
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... t=&act=url


G600 uses the same DB-60 and DB-65 battery as the Ricoh GRD cameras and can be used with two small AAA as well. But I don't know what the battery-life is like using it with AAA as I only tested doing so briefly. My first Ricoh 400G wide however which I bought used came without charger or the Ricoh DB-43 battery so I used it exclusively with quality rechargeable AA batteries and didn't have a problem with battery life with that one.
The 500G/SE have fast AF when used with the Db-43 battery and supports AA batteries as well. But I've not used it much with AA because it for some unknown reason have pretty slow AF then.
Some things good to know about the G600. It don't have HD video, no real image stabilisation. Only some built in software junk which blurs or smudges details like Noise Reduction. These two things stand correct for the 500G/SE as well.
The 400G wide clearly have the smallest screen but actually better video-quality then the 500G/SE which struggle with some crazy flickering noise. I didn't use video with the G600 as far as I remember so I don't know what it is like. But presumably better than the other two although no HD quality according to the specifications. The G600 AF is not very fast merely acceptable, not more to me. I don't know how it compares to the PX there as I've never had or tested PX myself.
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Re: back here with the usual...

Postby Schaki » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:19 pm

A rare Ricoh Caplio 300G has recently showed up on Ebay, if you are interested. http://ebay.de/itm/Unterwasserkamera-RI ... SwP~tW1ygz
It is based on the Ricoh Caplio RR30 and have phase detection AF as well as short shutter release lag. Image quality is at least as good as for the Ricoh PX. It oversharps a little with the Sharpness set to Normal, but set to Soft it still looks good and sharp. I had 300G myself for a couple of years and liked it.
It can be used either with two AA batteries or the standard Ricoh DB-43 or equivalent Fujifilm NP-120 battery which are easy to find.
If you would like o buy this one, then let me know and I won't pud bid on it myself then.
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Re: back here with the usual...

Postby quester » Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:49 pm

Thanks very much for the consideration Schaki, but I am using a GR these days (first version). It serves me well enough, and I am certain that it's only a matter of time until a large sensor compact with full environmental sealing is introduced to the market. I'd gladly sell the GR for such a camera, no matter to me who makes it - although I'd be happy that it would be a Pentax/Ricoh. I'll wait, and in the meantime I try not to expose the GR too much to dust. I don't dare to keep it my pocket like the PX, but I carry it covered in a plastic bag in a belt pouch. Seems to be working, because last time I checked I still had only the one dust speck that came with the camera when I bought it. It just moved to another place on the sensor... at least that's what it looks like.

Hope to have some new shots to post over the weekend.
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Re: back here with the usual...

Postby Schaki » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:25 pm

There is the Leica X-U which have aps-c and a f1.7 35mm equivalent lens http://dpreview.com/news/0765183018/lei ... er-compact
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Re: back here with the usual...

Postby quester » Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:34 pm

I forgot to mention "affordable". I noticed the Leica when it came out - it's a beauty, but for 3000 dollars I'd prefer to take my wife abroad for two weeks and take photographs with her cellphone.... ;)
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Re: back here with the usual...

Postby Schaki » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:16 pm

http://ebay.de/itm/Ricoh-Camilo-300G-Un ... SwmfhX785v
Ricoh Caplio 300G. Very much based on the Ricoh Caplio RR30 in fact which was a camera which performed well. I've had a 300G for some time ago and still have my RR30. Great little camera which oversharps a little with Normal in sharpening so I set sharpness to Soft instead which gives a better, more natural look. The 300G as well as the RR30 is well shaped and comfortable to use.
The 35-105mm 2.6-4.7 zoom in this camera is quite good as far as good samples of it go from my experience.
I don't know why the lowest in-camera iso setting is 200. But use the Auto-setting for iso and then it stays in the 125-150 range. Other newer Ricoh cameras which uses exactly the same image-sensor have iso 125 as a minimum selectable setting.
It can be powered by rechargable AA or the Ricoh DB-43/Fuji NP-120 battery and uses the first generation SD cards which go up to 2gb.
This was one of the early Ricoh cameras were Ricoh got it right with good user interface, short shutter release lag, good macro and performance overall. It uses Phase detect AF sensors for general focusing and ccd-focus for macro.


http://ebay.com/itm/RICOH-CAPLIO-400-G- ... Sw8gVX6XgF
Ricoh Caplio 400G Wide. Unfortunately he ships only to Italy so you may have to ask for an exception there.

Another great rugged Ricoh which I like. The successor to the 300G of course as the model-name says. 28-85mm 2.6-4.3. More rubber around the body and a little thicker than 300G.
It is based on Ricoh Caplio G4 wide and have Phase detect AF as most other Ricohs. I believe it was Ricohs first zoomlens for digital cameras which had 28mm wide-angle.
It was also the first Ricoh which got the ADJ-button with quick access to exposure, iso and white balance.
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Re: back here with the usual...

Postby Schaki » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:35 am

Sealife DC2000 might be something. It have 1" 20mp sensor and 31mm equivalent lens with f/1.8 aperture. Not "large" sensor really but at least as big as in the lower end premium compact cameras.
http://divephotoguide.com/underwater-ph ... er-camera/
Also discussed at Dpreview in the UW-section mostly https://dpreview.com/forums/thread/4194 ... t-60090234
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